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Rash Post MRSA Treatment
Started by Concerned
Posted: February 12, 2011 at 11:23
My daughter had a staph infection that turned out to be MRSA. The infection was in her blood stream as well as the infection in the skin. She received Vancomycin IV for 2+ weeks with no adverse reaction. She has been off Vancomycin for a week and has developed a rash over her body that appears to be hives. It is not a flushing of the skin but almost looks more like a heat rash but more spread out over her body. I talked to the Dr. on the phone and he told her to take Benadryl for the next 24 hours and if no improvement to come to the ER. There was no improvement so she went to the ER and was diagnosd with Red Man Syndrome. I am wondering whether this is possible as this usually occurs during administration and not a week later. Also it is not a flushing, or warmth to the skin. Is there another possibility?
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Reply #1 by ladyk
Posted: February 13, 2011 at 17:59
Concerned -

In two words… histamine response.

'Red man syndrome' is a hypersensitivity response commonly associated with speed in which Vancomycin is administered.

*How old is your daughter, and is 'rash' from mid-chest up (rash or redness of the face, base of neck, upper body, back, and arms)?


Symptoms Of Red Man Syndrome

Chills, fever, fainting, fast heartbeat, *hives, *itching, low blood pressure, nausea, vomiting

*Some of the above side effects may occur up to several weeks after individual stops receiving this medicine.

Benadryl is most often the antihistamine of choice for this complication, which acts to block the effects of the naturally occurring chemical histamine in the body. As well, when a patient presents this complication (red man syndrome) DURING antibiotic therapy, any further patient dosing is commonly accompanied with individual being premeditated with Benadryl as attempt to avoid further histamine response during remainder of antibiotic therapy. It is a matter of ‘value of administering medication’ outweighing complication. Since your daughter’s POSSIBLE reaction was delayed by a week after last administration of Vancomycin… in my opinion I agree with the antihistamine treatment attempt. Relief of symptoms following antihistamine ingestion will determine med complication as cause for skin anomaly. AND I need to add - seriously watch for decline in health, breathing difficulties, etc. If physician stated attempt antihistamine for 24 hours - then do exactly that. I’d much rather err on the side of caution. Watch temps. Any change in ‘rash’ would be worthy of immediately addressing. Be sure she does not to indulge in over dosing antihistamine, as antihistamine is blocking (covering) natural immune response. This response lets you know something is not right (by way of ‘rash’). You know your daughter, use you gut instinct when evaluating progression or decline of symptoms.

To your question: [“Is there another possibility?”] Yes, there are always possibilities. In my opinion it is more probable… her body is responding to purging toxins (bacterial along with toxic impact antibiotics can have on us).

Is she still experiencing lesion outbreaks? Are all lesions healed? Where are outbreaks occurring on her body? Is she following a topical care regimen using Hibiclens antimicrobial wash? Sorry, seems I have as many questions as you? Just know… we are here to help you through as much as we can.

Hope this helps.

Best wishes, and please let us know how she’s doing.

ladyk

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Reply #2 by Concerned
Posted: March 3, 2011 at 03:13
The rash was somewhat worse after the ER treatment (IV pred and benadryl) but resolved on its own about three days later. She has been feeling fine since then. She was using the Hibiclens that we got while she was in the hospital. She discontinued using that thinking that may be the cause of her rash. She is using an antibiotic soap (Dial I think) but is going to try to use the Hibiclens again hoping for no rash. The only odd symptom she is having is a painful, sensitive coccyx. She says that it mostly bothers her when she is sitting and shoots pain up her spine if she sits wrong. I asked her if she told her Dr. about it at her recheck appointment and she said no. I am in a different state than where she is in college, so it is difficult for me to make sure that she asks or pursues every situation. I told her that if she has any other symptoms (fever, not feeling well, increased pain, etc) we would need to have it checked out. "Ok, Mom" "It's fine Mom" You know she's a teenager. I am sure that it may not be related at all, but once they have been that sick, I worry about everything. LOL Thank you for your help, and any further advice would be welcome.
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Reply #3 by Concerned
Posted: March 3, 2011 at 03:29
Also I failed to mention that the only lesion she had was just below her elbow on her forearm. She had surgery to open up and clean out the lesion after two days on IV antibiotics because it was not responding. It was packed with sterile dressing twice a day for about two weeks. Wound currently looks good.
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Reply #4 by ladyk
Posted: March 6, 2011 at 16:31
Concerned -

I can relate to hearing “Okay Mom~ it’s fine” and your concerns... our daughter is also away at college. College is a prime location to contract a communicable like MRSA, as is any public arena site where many people come and go.

In my opinion…
*You might impress upon her (since lesion is on forearm just below elbow) to wear long sleeve tops in attempt to avoid cross contamination during classes, where one commonly rests forearm on edge of desk. Such a common touch site is all that is needed to cross contaminate MRSA from one to another.

*Remind her to carry alcohol based hand sanitizer and use it whenever she is unable to wash hands. OUR HANDS provide bacteria the legs they need to spread infection(s), and is a serious method of cross contaminating bacteria from one person - to another - to surfaces - which is then picked up by others.

*She should continue showering with Hibiclens 3x weekly as maintenance reduction of pathogens on skin surface. Also she should use fingernail brush to get around and under nails where MRSA bacteria can live waiting to be transferred elsewhere. Hibiclens offers ph 5.0 - 6.5. Normal ph of our skin is 4.5 to 6... some even stretch normal ph range to 7. I wouldn’t go so far as to say one never could experience unfavorable skin reaction with Hibiclens… although personally I believe it is unlikely considering Hibiclens is compatible with our skin’s normal ph range. One should also know Hibiclens carries caution - DO NOT GET INTO EYES & EARS.

*You might encourage her go to local pharmacy and pick up a little bottle of Tea Tree Oil which has demonstrated good results in halting lesion progression if caught in early stage, as well as assists in healing active lesions. Tea Tree Oil is readily absorbed through the skin producing a feeling of cooling similar to that of menthol, has a camphorous odor, acts as a slight local anesthetic, and is antimicrobial… also calms itchy lesion sites. *(Apply with Q-tip, as finger to bottle top risks bacteria transfer.) Be sure she knows to cover active lesion(s). Drainage must be considered a contagion easily spread about her body creating new lesion sites, as well MRSA can be spread to others via contaminated drainage.

-Has she been nare (nostril) cultured to determine if she is carrier? More information can be found by following link to forum’s associated website MRSA AMERICA & Beyond
http://webpages.charter.net/mrsa.america_beyond/index.html under drop down menu Carrier - Colonized.

Controlling MRSA is threefold. Topical. Internal (support immune system function with supplementation of that which we lack from our diets). Environmental control of bacteria.

Hope this helps.

Best wishes,
ladyk

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Reply #5 by joe
Posted: August 7, 2013 at 06:03
I HAD CELLULITE'S AFTER RECEIVING TREATMENT ANTIBIOTIC FOR 12 DAYS I GOT A WEEK LATER I HAVE RASH ON MY HAND AND ITS ITCHY AND MY FAR HEAD ITCHES? WHATS GOING ON?
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Reply #6 by Tana
Posted: August 8, 2013
When I had Mrsa and was given Cubicin and Zyvox I ended up having a red
raised rash that lasted for months and then off and on for about a year.
Its been 4 years since my last outbreak of Mrsa and I still have skin
problems I never had before taking antibiotics.You need to detoxify and
eat an alkaline diet,and Probiotics to replace good bacteria.

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Reply #7 by Amy A
Posted: January 19, 2014 at 16:48
Hi - I've have been looking up information on a rash post MRSA treatment - and this was
the only thing I could find. I had vanco IV for 2 days after a MRSA outbreak that occurred
after 1 week after being on high doses of prednisone. About 1-2 weeks (I've been through
so much I kind of forget the exact timeline) after the vanco IV I developed a rash that has
gotten worse over time. My dermatologist thought I had bugs (but I have been sick for the
past year and haven't had contact with anyone except my family and doctors - not to
mention my hands and fingers have absolutely no rash. - and then finally I went to the
allergist who said I have eczema but I still wasn't 100% convinced. The rash started under
my armpits and on my underware line where I was told to use Hibiclens. I immediately
stopped the use of that (and I haven't had any more MRSA issues since I've been off the
prednisone) - and that is when the dermatologist gave me a cream to kill bugs that you put
everywhere on your skin - and that actually made the rash rage to the point that I couldn't
sleep at night. The allergist gave me a cortisone shot which helped significantly - but now
the rash is back in full force again. Is it possible that this is from the vancomycin? I feel
like the doctors are clueless and I have to take my health into my own hands if I want
answers. The rash definitely flares up at night and in the morning. Then during the day it is
not a problem. So I think that histamine is a factor in this rash.... can anyone help me
please?
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Reply #8 by cecilia kitchens
Posted: November 17, 2014 at 01:01
I didnt have mrsa but a staph infection from a knee replacement,Itook
a full regime of vanco and at the last,well,came down with redman
syn.This is a most miserable thing! I itct from head to toe and cant
sleep well.I
am on attarax.Im hoping you will tell me that this will soon
end.Sitting in a bed of ants is maddening.Ive have it 10 or 11 days
now!
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Reply #9 by sue
Posted: February 8, 2015 at 18:55
my son was diagnosed with mrsa pneumonia. he was on vancomycin and several other anti biotics. he had a slight rash that went away. then 2 days later he has an awful red rash all over his body that looks like sunburn. his hand are swollen and extremely red along with the rash all over his body. this has been going on for 7 days now and the doctors have no clue what it is. they have taken him off all medication and the rash is getting worse. even infectious disease doctor has no clue. please help
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Reply #10 by Melissa
Posted: July 19, 2016 at 21:46
Amy A,

I see you wrote your post a couple of years ago and wonder where you're at now
with your rash. Did you figure out what it is? I am experiencing something VERY
SIMILAR to what you described! A few months back I had a MRSA infection on the
top of my foot. I was treated with Bactrim and Clindamycin. The infection cleared
up but shortly after I finished antibiotics, I began breaking out in a rash. It started
first in my groin and then popped up in my armpits and then below my breasts. I
have tried SO MANY things. I went to a naturopathic doctor who said I had an
overgrowth of yeast (which made sense to me at the time due to the broad
spectrum antibiotics.) I went on a very strict Candida diet as well as took diflucan.
The rash seemed to subside a bit but fast forward a couple months and it's back!
It's super itchy late at night and in the morning also. Very, very strange. Any
suggestions you have would be super helpful!! This rash is driving me mad! I've
also been washing with hibiclens and putting mupirocin on the spots because
I've been thinking maybe it's a form of staph? Again, I welcome any input!! Also,
one more thing - I think it may be contagious because my boyfriend broke out in a
similar rash. He went on oral antibiotics but the rash persisted and even got
worse. I'm truly clueless and am thinking maybe I need to see a dermatologist to
get this sorted out.
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Reply #11 by Bob Anderson
Posted: July 20, 2016
Melissa -

Sounds maddening. I hope you both get over it soon.

If it is staph or fungus, there may be a way to deal with it, an unorthodox way but a way. Lots of people on this website have written of taking a series of garlic water baths and have reported positive results. If what you have is staph, that would probably help you relax for an hour and gain an enhanced sense of well-being that comes from using garlic effectively.

Please read the garlic and garlic water posts in this forum and see if you find anything interesting.

I'm not a doctor of any kind so I can't advise anyone to do anything, all I can do is discuss the nature of garlic and how its chemistry changes when it is processed and used in different herbal folk remedy ways and let people and their doctors make of it what they will.

How it works is ultra simple but all natural and so, not patentable, hence Big Pharma's lack of interest in it.

All bacteria carry a negative electrical charge by their very nature. When natural (non-irradiated) garlic is crushed it forms allicin, a powerful anti-microbial that carries a positive electric charge, causing it to be attracted to bacteria and once they come into contact, the allicin penetrates into the bacterium and that causes the bacterium to swell up and burst, killing it. Bacteria cannot become to resistant to that any more than you or I could become immune to being stabbed or blown up.

Most bulk garlic in supermarkets has been irradiated if it came from China and irradiated garlic cannot form allicin because the radiation kills the enzyme that creates the allicin so no allicin forms and it is not antimicrobial - only garlic grown by small market growers in farmers markets will work or garlic that comes from anywhere that they do not irradiate it. The radiation is the problem, not where it was grown except that nobody else radiates it. Chinese garlic is fine until the distributor irradiates it. Thereafter it is simply an unspicy spice with limited, if any of the usual things that come from allicin.

Good luck to you both.

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Reply #12 by Kat
Posted: September 22, 2016 at 06:18
Hi, I've had MRSA for almost 2 years now. It's been a very stressful journey but I
have been trying to be as positive as possible so I don't get physically and
mentally stressed. I woke up one morning and had a big bump on my thigh one
day, I thought it was an ant or spider that bit me in my sleep. A few days later
passed and it got much bigger, very painful, sore and I could no longer sit down. I
then went to the hospital they made an excision and drained it, the Dr diagnosed
me with MRSA. I had many hospital visits shortly after for the excision and
drainage on many bumps on my face and body. I luckily haven't had the need to
go to the hospital for any excision and drainage bumps this year, but my face is
completely broken out with MRSA bumps. I've been struggling with this problem
for the majority of the year now. I always wash my face, detox, eat as healthy as I
can and drink plenty of water. I also use natural face wash and I make a face mask
with activated charcoal, bentonite clay and tea tree oil. A few months ago I started
breaking out in hives. I now break out in hives a few times every week. Does
anyone know if this is from my MRSA? I do take Benedryl when I break out but it
does make me nervous that I am breaking out in hives now. If anyone has any
recommendations or advice that would help left my spirit up! Thank you!!
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Reply #13 by Bob Anderson
Posted: September 22, 2016 at 15:02
Kat -

Please read my post just above your post and then read all the other garlic and garlic water posts in this forum. The answers you seek are there waiting for you to discover them.

Good luck to you.




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Reply #14 by Carlton
Posted: October 24, 2016 at 22:17
I had two bouts of MRSA. The first was in 2005 and severely infected my left leg from my
buttocks to my knee. I received 9 Vaco infusions. The second was in 2006 and began in my
nose. We caught very early and I received only 2 Vaco infusions. However, since the MRSA
incidents, I have experienced several different skin rashes and 10 bouts of pneumonia. The
latest incidents of Pneumonia occurred this year in Aug and Sept. Are these kinds of
problems related to the MRSA incidents?
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Reply #15 by Jg
Posted: June 24, 2018 at 10:16
I have been on vancomycin IV for 7 weeks and I have been off a week now and
started getting a rash at week 5 but it has gotten worse. All I do is scratch and try
to figure out what to do. This is no quality of life at all. It's like constant ant bites.
Antihistamines work temporarily and not even completely. I do not know what to
do. I can't live like this. If anyone has the answer please email me. How long will
this last? J o y g i ll e y 1 2 @ g m a il
I have it on back of knees, sides, hips, arms, belly and it's starting to itch on my
neck and in my hair. I also have three large red patches where the rash started. It
burns and stings . I'm using lots of things and nothing works. Hydrocortisone,
clotrimazole, diflucan, benzocaine, pepsid, Claritin, Benadryl. I get the most relief
from Claritin and pepsid together but it doesn't last long. I need sleep and need
my life back. Someone has to have the answer.
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Reply #16 by Bob Anderson
Posted: June 24, 2018 at 15:02
Hello JG -

Welcome to the Antibiotic Apocalypse! If you think things are bad now, just wait they are getting worse on a daily basis as antibiotic resistance settles in deeper every day and more people are infected and spreading this disease around to more people every day and mainstream medicine's ability to deal with effectively diminishes steadily. More importantly, the only patented pharmaceutical procedures under development at this time are extremely expensive phage therapies that take time and must be custom prepared for each individual from their own natural phages and appear to be only affordable by the very rich. The pharmaceutical industry has nothing under development that is to be inexpensive and readily available; after all, it's all about money and mere human life is no where near as valuable as money although large amounts of money still work.

Not being a doctor of any kind, I am prohibit from giving anyone any medical advice but as long as the illusion of the freedom of speech still exists, I can discuss the properties of natural (non-irradiated) garlic and how those properties change based on how that garlic is processed and used in an old fashion herbal folk remedy and you and your doctors can decide if it means anything to you or not. I don't give any medical advice to anyone; it is up to individuals to decide for themselves whether to listen to their health care advisors or take their own course. Each of us is ultimately responsible for the results of our own decisions whether those decisions are aligned with the so-called health care industry or to try some alternative.

Yes, natural (non-irradiated) garlic kills all bacteria, no matter how resistant those bacteria have become to commercial antibiotics because the right kind of garlic, used properly, kills MRSA on contact and costs less than 1% of what a hospital charges to "treat" the disease with curing it and with none of the horrible side-effects of pharmaceuticals.

You are in the right place to learn but you must read the answers, not just ask questions. You can search this forum for my garlic and garlic water posts that explain exactly how and why garlic does what it does but each person must seek out the answers for themselves and decide for themselves what they should do. After all, it is they who will enjoy the benefits of their right decisions or suffer the consequences of bad decisions.

Be sure to read the Garlic Success Stories thread of people in this forum who tried the garlic water and they discuss their experiences.

Good luck to you.



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