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KILL THE CARRIER
Started by Julie
Posted: October 9, 2010 at 01:57
My husband and I have been fighting MRSA for almost a year now. Same as
everyone else on here... Hospitalized, lanced, antibiotics, creams, wash, etc...
Until, finally my doctor said "You have to kill the carrier and it is usually in the
nose". He have us Bactroban for the nose. We have been using it every other night
for months and it has worked! There has been NO outbreaks for either of us. I do
not know why many doctors, and even the ID doctor did not do this 6 months ago.
We have both been on so many courses of antibiotics it's crazy.
We are both on a great probiotic and I take Oregano three times a day. Long story
short... All of you need to kill the carrier and get the Bactroban nasal treatment.
This is a terrible infection and my heart goes out to all of you. We have been there.
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Reply #1 by Bob Anderson
Posted: October 9, 2010 at 03:32
Julie -

It's always good to hear from someone with a success story.

I don't know much about Bactroban though I assume it generally works well but I do know about another way that works to kill MRSA in the nostrils and sinuses. Strange as it might sound, what really works well is crushing a clove of garlic and holding it up to the nose and breathing in the garlic vapors throught the nose.

I am not a doctor of any kind and I cannot give any medical advice, all I can do is discuss the properties of garlic and let people and their health care providors decide for themselves what, if anything, to do. If you are allergic to garlic you should not use garlic in any way.

Crushed raw non-irradiated garlic kills staph, including MRSA on contact. A study done in 1936 showed that the fumes of crushed raw garlic killed all bacteria out to 8" from a single crushed clove.

More recent studies have shown that staph, including MRSA cannot become immune to garlic. If one breathes in the fumes of crushed raw garlic through the nostrils, the fumes will kill staph in the nasal passages and sinuses. It will take some repetitions because fumes are the weakest form of garlic.

A stronger form is to let a crushed clove of garlic set for 15 to 90 minutes, the longer it sets the stronger it gets up to about 90 minutes. Add it to a pint of water, shake thoroughly to insure full mixing with the water and then strain all the particulate matter and use it in a neti pot to flush the sinuses with the garlic water. The garlic water will kill all staph it comes into contact with.

You can crush several cloves and let it set for 90 minutes and bathe in it and it will kill all staph on your body and some will soak inside through the skin and kill staph that way.

It's important to get only non-irradiated garlic as irradiated garlic has no health benefits. Fortunately, there's an easy way to tell. Remove a clove from a bulb and cut it vertically down the middle of the bulb and look at the two halves. If there is a little growth shoot or tiny pale green baby leaves, it is good garlic and has health benefits. But if there is no growth shoot or little leaves, then the garlic has been irradiated and has no health benefits because the radiation kills the enzyme that triggers the processes that result in the health benefits. But since the enzyme has been killed, there is no chemical reaction and no health benefits.

It's not always easy to tell but a garlic clove is solid except for an open sheath in its very center and in this empty space grows the tiny epicotyl growing from the middle of the garlic's basal plate. If there is no epicotyl in that sheath all the way down to the basal plate, the garlic has been irradiated and is literally dead, that's why its growth shoot is missing.

Also, irradiated garlic is not hot to the taste when eaten raw like natural garlic.

Look around the forum and learn about the use of garlic.

Hope this helps.




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Reply #2 by caringaj
Posted: October 9, 2010 at 06:11
I agree. Swabbing the nose with bactroban does it. I had 2 bouts of MRSA 6 years ago, was hospitalized, had the boils lanced, was on IV vancomyacin, etc. I have been swabbing my nose with bactroban ointment about 2 times a week. I have not had a MRSA outbreak in 6 years. I don't take garlic and only take a probiotic when I am on an antibiotic, usually for a bladder infection.
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Reply #3 by ladyk
Posted: October 11, 2010 at 19:10
Julie -

Kill the carrier? Ummm… that would be me, probably you, your husband, etc. Certainly one way to reduce global population, since 30 to 50% of us are unaware human host carriers (unsuspecting victims of cross contamination), who are left ‘colonized’ with the MRSA bacteria!

I would seriously hope a physician did not actually say… ["You have to kill the carrier and it is usually in the nose"] …if so, he/she lacks understanding concerning the nature of MRSA. (sorry) A destructive step further in the battle with MRSA is instructing improper use of Bactroban antibiotic ointment, which could very well find you/your husband, etc. on the short end of the stick when it comes to ‘inducible’ resistance.

I do agree on a couple of your other points though...

Cultures to determine MRSA positive ‘nare’ colonization (of carriers) are an important and necessary diagnostic tool, a must requirement to curb epidemic. Yes, it is true 30 - 50% of us (humans) are nare colonized… therefore, those of us with positive MRSA nare cultures are carriers who are colonized in our nares (nostrils) with the MRSA bacteria. We are finally seeing nare cultures included more and more in pre-screened pre-op patients prior to hospital admission in several states across this country and others. (There are other common colonization site about the body MRSA bacteria prefers to colonize… armpits, groin, perineum, buttocks, cross contamination skin sites, surgical wounds, etc.)

Determining carriers who are ‘nare’ colonized with MRSA via culture, and treating positives ‘appropriately’ - by decolonizing nares with Bactroban/Mupirocin (antibiotic ointment swirled in nostrils 2x daily - x5-7 days - stop - reculture), is the common decolonizing method of care used when one is determined to be a nare positive MRSA colonized carrier.

Where I don’t agree is… with your ‘volume of use’ due to the resistant factor.

If one is to 'Kill The Nare Colony' of MRSA, I agree Bactroban is the helpful tool of choice, BUT… it would be important to read studies which reveal cautions concerning Bactroban resistance.

If treatment is not done judiciously one runs the risk of antibiotic ointment not working at all. *Resistance to Bactroban can/does occur just like resistance in the case of Methicillin in (M)RSA, and Vancomycin in (V)RSA. Mutations capable of resistance - like MRSA & VRSA are formidable opponents in many respects, therefore we need all tools to remain ‘usefully’ available if we are to persevere. Helping mutating bacteria by prompting resistance to our arsenal of medications (improper or over use of antibiotics including antibiotic ointments)… definitely leaves an open door where many opportunistic pathogens like MRSA are waiting in the wings, relying on ability to compromise host’s health for their own survival.

Hope passing along this information helps protect you and yours.

Best wishes to you and your husband.
ladyk

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Reply #4 by ladyk
Posted: October 11, 2010 at 19:14
Bactroban/Mupirocin

General Product Warning: As with other antibacterial products, prolonged use may result in overgrowth of ‘nonsusceptible’ microorganisms, including fungi.

The appropriate treatment for MRSA colonization of the nostrils is topical application of an antibiotic called mupirocin (Bactroban). After taking a full course patient’s physician should culture nostrils once again to confirm that the MRSA is gone.
http://www.healthline.com/search?q1=bactroban&utm_source=serp2&utm_medium=google&utm_campaign=serp&utm_term=bactroban

Uses
Mupirocin is used as a topical treatment for bacterial skin infections, for example, furuncle, impetigo, open wounds etc. It is also useful in the treatment of methicillin-resistant Staphylococcus aureus (MRSA), which is a significant cause of death in hospitalized patients who have received systemic antibiotic therapy. It is suggested, however, that mupirocin not be used for extended periods of time, or indiscriminately, as resistance does develop, and could, if it becomes widespread, destroy mupirocin's value as a treatment for MRSA. It may also result in overgrowth of non-susceptible organisms.
Shortly after the clinical use of Mupirocin began, strains of Staphylococcus aureus that were resistant to mupirocin emerged. Two distinct populations of mupirocin-resistant S. aureus were isolated. One strain possessed low-level resistance, MuL, (MIC = 8-256 mg/L) and another possessed high-level resistance, MuH, (MIC > 256 mg/L). Resistance in the MuL strains is probably due to mutations in the organism’s wild-type isoleucinyl-tRNA synthetase. In E. coli IleRS, a single amino acid mutation was shown to alter mupirocin resistance. MuH is linked to the acquisition of a separate Ile synthetase gene, mupA. Mupirocin is not a viable antibiotic against MuH strains. Other antibiotic agents such as azelaic acid, nitrofurazone, silver sulfadiazine, and ramoplanin have been shown to be effective against MuH strains.
The mechanism of mupirocin differs from other clinical antibiotics rendering cross-resistance to other antibiotics unlikely. However, the MupA gene may co-transfer with other antibacterial resistance genes. This has been observed already with resistance genes for triclosan, tetracycline, and trimethoprim.
http://www.answers.com/topic/mupirocin


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mupirocin


When mupirocin resistance occurs, it results from the production of a modified isoleucyl-tRNA synthetase or the acquisition, by genetic transfer, of a plasmid mediating a new isoleucyl-tRNA synthetase. High-level plasmid-mediated resistance (MIC > 500 mcg/mL) has been reported in increasing numbers of isolates of Staphylococcus aureus and with higher frequency in coagulase-negative staphylococci. Methicillin resistance and mupirocin resistance commonly occur together in Staphylococcus aureus and coagulase-negative staphylococci.
http://www.drugs.com/pdr/Centany-Ointment.html

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Reply #5 by ladyk
Posted: October 11, 2010 at 19:15

CONCLUSIONS: Mupirocin treatment eradicated MRSA from 50% of colonized mice as measured by nasal swab 3 days after treatment and mupirocin resistant MRSA were detected in 30% of mice failing mupirocin treatment.
http://gateway.nlm.nih.gov/MeetingAbstracts/ma?f=102264648.html

NOTE: I’m not disputing the value of the product. I've used it. I am compelled to provide a heads up there is increasing data concerning resistance.

ladyk

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Reply #6 by caringaj
Posted: October 11, 2010 at 19:38
I apply bactroban (municipron) and swab my nostrils 2 or 3 times a week. I use a very small amount. Additionally, whenever I get a cut or scrape or any break in my skin - even a paper cut, I clean the area and apply the ointment. So far, no outbreaks in 6 years, and I was extremely sicks 6 years ago with two hospitalizations for treatment of MRSA boils and then 5 weeks hospitalization for drug induced lupus and drug induced hepatitis. I almost died. The lupis and hepatitis were toxic and it was determined both were caused by the very strong antiobiotics I received when hospitalized for the 2 MRSA boils. Six years later and I am fine, no Lupus, no Hepatitis and no MRSA boils.
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Reply #7 by ladyk
Posted: October 12, 2010 at 17:35
caringaj -


*When was your last nare culture… during hospitalization six years ago?


From what you have written it appears you experienced drug induced hypersensitive reaction/anaphylactic reaction. Luckily these types of reactions reverse once epinephrine is given and causative medication in this case is d/c’d - cleared from the body. I wonder if you/your PCP informed hospital physicians of all the meds you were on prior to admission and administration of MRSA related antibiotics? Also, it is impossible to know who will react severely and who won’t at time of administering medications. *Now you know… and hopefully this is well documented so there will be no chance of repeat! Toxic hepatitis as you know now… can be caused by something as minor as Tylenol.

Had you been privy to risks when physician(s) decided to put you on MRSA related meds - you may have been able to heed some of the warnings.

I’m sorry you experienced such a scary event caringaj. I’m quite familiar with anaphylactic reaction as I experienced this myself. In my case the culprit was Morphine (via pump) post-op knee replacement surgery back in 2003. This event caught me off guard since it did not occur until I had been discharged and home a week or so.

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Some information you may find interesting.

Rifampin may infrequently cause serious liver disease. Though sometimes necessary to completely treat certain infections, combination treatment with other drugs (e.g., isoniazid, pyrazinamide) may increase this risk.
Before Using: In deciding to use a medicine, the risks of taking the medicine must be weighed against the good it will do. This is a decision you and your doctor will make. For this medicine, the following should be considered: Remember that your doctor has prescribed this medication because he or she has judged that the benefit to you is greater than the risk of side effects. Many people using this medication do not have serious side effects. Rifampin may infrequently cause serious liver disease. Though sometimes necessary to completely treat certain infections, combination treatment with other drugs (e.g., isoniazid, pyrazinamide) may increase this risk.

Allergies
Tell your doctor if you have ever had any unusual or allergic reaction to this medicine or any other medicines. Also tell your health care professional if you have any other types of allergies, such as to foods, dyes, preservatives, or animals. For non-prescription products, read the label or package ingredients carefully

http://www.healthgrades.com/drug-ratings/drug/sideeffects/1726/Rifampin

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Reply #8 by ladyk
Posted: October 12, 2010 at 17:36

[LEVAQUIN]
Serious and occasionally fatal events, such as hypersensitivity and/or anaphylactic reactions and some of unknown etiology, have been reported in patients receiving therapy with quinolones, including LEVAQUIN®.

These reactions may include serious, sometimes fatal skin reactions such as toxic epidermal necrolysis or Stevens-Johnson Syndrome; effects on the liver, including hepatitis, jaundice, and acute hepatic necrosis or failure; renal toxicities including interstitial nephritis and/or acute renal insufficiency or failure; and hematologic effects, including agranulocytosis, thrombocytopenia, and other hematologic abnormalities.
These reactions may occur following the first dose or multiple doses.
http://www.levaquin360.com/levaquin360/

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[Tylenol PM]
Toxic hepatitis — Comprehensive overview covers symptoms, *causes such as Acetaminophen (Tylenol), and prevention. http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/toxic-hepatitis/DS00811

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[Macrobid] - yellowing of the skin or eyes (jaundice), rust-colored or brownish urine
http://www.drugs.com/macrobid.html


*Is this same physician who encouraged you to use Bactroban 2-3x weekly whether colonized or not?

I’m glad you are doing well today, like many of us here on forum it’s a testament to your overall constitution. Hope you will also take the time to look into the resistance factor of over using Bactroban, which may be setting you up for down the road complications… just as a precaution.

Best wishes to you,
ladyk

PS Some cholesterol-lowering medications (like Zetia) in rare cases, can cause a condition that results in the breakdown of skeletal muscle tissue. This condition can lead to kidney failure. Call your doctor at once if you have unexplained muscle pain or tenderness, muscle weakness, fever or flu symptoms, and dark colored urine.

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Reply #9 by caringaj
Posted: October 12, 2010 at 19:03
I was taking just about all of the above. Rifampin and Vanco IV while in the hospital and 2 or 3 weeks of Rifampin after my release. Once I got home I went back to taking 2 Tylenol PM in the evening and continued my daily dose of Macrobid to prevent UTIs. I was also taking Pravachol for chlorestoral. Needless to say, after my toxic drug induced lupus and toxic drug induced hepatitis, my doctor instructed me to never take tylenol PM, macrobid, Rifampin or Pravachol again. It was the combination above that did me in. Yes, this is the same physician who instructed me to use the Bactroban ointment in my nose 2 or 3 times a week. My doctor is very thorough and I have complete confidence in him.
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Reply #10 by staph
Posted: January 18, 2011 at 15:57
I have had Staph 4 time in over 2 months,I am on meds,and the bactroban this time,but have done some research,and found out different things.My husband has a spot on his side that swells up and stuff comes out of it.It never goes away completely.He had it way before I ever got any thing.I believe I did touch it a couple of times..Why am i having so many spots,and he only has one..
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Reply #11 by ladyk
Posted: January 20, 2011

Has your husband had his 'spot' cultured? Were your 'spots' cultured? Depending on whether the infection is produced by same bacteria, perhaps the answer to quantity of lesions is cross contamination. Since MRSA is a pathogenic (disease causing) contagion, and drainage from active lesion(s) is highly contagious, if one is not using appropriate cross contamination precautions… it is possible to spread MRSA from one site to another as well as to others. What proactive measures are you both taking to control bacteria topically?

ladyk

PS Best to both have cultures so you know with absolute certainty what you're up against.

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Reply #12 by Rob winston
Posted: March 14, 2014 at 22:21
At first i thought it was just a fornicule, do my doc drained the pus and put me on
clindamycin and amocyliine 650 mg, she also gve a spitula for culture, it was after
2 weeks is when we got to know that i my fornicule was actually mrsa and it was
sensitive to clindamycin, she has now moved me to doxycycline and continued
me to apply bactroban on nostrils.. I am supposed to get another culture in april
in the meanwhile iam worried if mrsa could have infected my blood stream after
reading all the posts on google ...although i havent had sny more outbreaks ..iam
taking complete precaution in terms of cleaniliness and hygeine..including taking
bleach bath..since i dont have bath tub..i usually rub the bleach using wet towel
for 2 minutes and then take hot showers.. Iam also drinking turmeric and eating
two cloves to fresh garlic with honey...not sure if all this is helping or not...iam
very strssed..please help
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Reply #13 by whippytail
Posted: May 9, 2014 at 12:19
Rob winston ~

It sounds like you've had way better doctors than I've had to deal with. I first went to a dermitologist the next day after seeing a boil. I had staph 10 years ago, so I recognized what it was. She perscribed rifampin with sulfameth and I followed my perscription for 10 days. The boils went away but after stopping I started to get little bumps here and there.

Tried using a bunch of different herbs on it, such as cinnamin oil, oregano oil, coconut oil, and tea tree. Even used an iodine tincture that contained ammonia and alcohol on it. I saw the derm a few more times, being paranoid that I still had it because I would still get little spots and bumps. She would tell me that it looked like it was healing. After doing a little more research, I began taking bleach baths by putting a 1/2 cup of bleach into a 1/2 filled tub, which seemed to contain it and keep it from spreading. Dry off the infected areas with paper towels or a blow drier, don't use a towel on them.

I also made a garlic tinture like so:
peel and chop up about 5-6 heads (or whatever can fit a in a jar that you have) of garlic in a blender. Wait 15-30 mins for the garlic to form allicin. Pour a bit of everclear into the blender and give it a few spins to make "garlic apple sauce". Pour this mixture into a jar and top it off with a bit of 90 proof vodka. Put the lid on and let it sit in a cool dark area for two weeks. Be sure to give it a shake once per day to distribute things. After about a week you will notice the alcohol turning a yellowish orange. This is an extract of the allicin and other compounds in the garlic. After two weeks, it should turn a golden orange color.

You can put this on your boils using a dropper and wearing disposable gloves to rub it in the area. You can also dip a paper towel in the tincture and rub it over the area, throwing it away and using a fresh one on a different area. If you use gloves, use one finger only for each boil, or a different part of your hand, then get a new glove when you have no more clean areas on the glove, so you don't cross-contaminat yourself. I successfully got rid of two boils by doing this and they haven't come back.

I asked two different doctors to give me a culture or test and none of them were willing to, thinking that i didn't look that bad. But one of them did perscribe mupirocin for my nose. Don't know if it's helping yet, it's only been 1 week.

I also started to notice that I would get outbreaks every time I ate anything with sugar, so it's good to quit that. Try to keep from sweating, as that can spread it. Stay in a well air conditioned or windy area and wear thin loose fitting clothing if possible. Hope all this helps, it's the best advice I can give based on my own experience.
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Reply #14 by Maxwell
Posted: October 17, 2017 at 22:43
Hello Ladyk

Plz what can be done to decolonize? Can breading in garlic fumes take care of this?
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Reply #15 by Bob Anderson
Posted: October 19, 2017
Maxwell -

Of course, I'm not Lady K but I'll answer, anyway and if she wants to express her opinion she can.

Yes, breathing in fumes from crushed raw garlic will kill off all bacteria in the nose and sinuses. So will snorting garlic water like cocaine users do. One may need to breathe the fumes in concentration for an hour or two to be sure one is getting enough exposure. In the original experiment, all bacteria were dead within 8 inches of the crushed garlic after 4 hours but it is not known how long they had been dead. Maybe they were all dead at two hours, who knows?

We're really just a bunch of people experimenting on ourselves to test the limits of our new discoveries and how to use them in the most beneficial ways without causing any harm.

That's why I like the Garlic Success Stories thread so much, because it shows the different ways people have used garlic water to achieve their objectives.

Good luck to you.
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Reply #16 by Mesosilver
Posted: November 16, 2017 at 01:52
Sorry about the bad news. The good news is that there is a really simple
treatment for MRSA in the nose. What you need is mesosilver. You can buy a
small bottle from amazon for $20. This should last you several months. Next
before going to sleep and waking up dab two q tips into the bottle and then clean
out each nostril with one. Resist the urge to pick your nose. This will serve to
moisturize your nose as well as irradicate the bacteria from it. Do this every day
and odds are you’ll never have an issue again. Good luck!
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Reply #17 by Robert Banker
Posted: November 16, 2017 at 06:48
I've used Bactroban. It worked for a year and then became ineffective. I've tried tea tree oil, DONT DO IT. It rubs off whatever barriers the nares have and the bacteria have an open door.

I'm using peroxide with cotton swabs, and just ordered nasal spray bottles (empty ones) for use instead of the swabs.

Lately I'm using different natural remedies like garlic pills and immune boosters, which are helping alot.

I dont know why I'm still dealing with MRSA after using the remedies for 5 years already and then back to nare bleedings.

However, thank God, the problem is not as severe as it used to be, with boils on myself and children. That was a hurtful experience seeing the kids suffering with the boils. Thank God those have not recurred.
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Reply #18 by Bob Anderson
Posted: November 16, 2017 at 14:50
Hello Robert Banker -

I know hydrogen peroxide is good medicine because the body manufactures its own and stores hydrogen peroxide is specific places in the body, the tonsils and adenoids and also the appendix and the spleen for emergency use.

In my experience, eating garlic has lots of health benefits but it will not stop an active infection. Eating store-bought garlic from China has none of the usual garlic properties because it has been irradiated and the enzyme that causes the health benefits is killed by the radiation and so no allicin ever forms. Any garlic that one consumes or uses in other ways will not work at all if it has been irradiated and Chinese garlics exported to the USA gets irradiated.

In order to use garlic effectively, it must be in its natural state and not irradiated. The radiation kills the garlic so it doesn't sprout or have any hotness when eaten raw because no allicin is formed. One can breathe in the fumes from freshly crushed garlic through the nose and kill off all bacteria in the nostrils and sinuses.

There is a lot of misinformation circulating about garlic and much of it wrong. If you want to learn all about the reality of natural (non-irradiated) garlic, you're in the right place. Just look up my posts and read them. You can learn more about garlic and exactly how and why it does what it does in this forum than anywhere else on the internet.

Why do I think I know what I'm talking about? I have grown garlic commercially for over 25 years and am the author of gourmetgarlicgardens.com which has been up for 20 years, during which time I have met and had many conversations with three of the most knowledgeable people in the world on the chemistry of garlic and I have read their books so I know what things they all agree on and two of them are heads of the Chemistry Dept. at respected universities and the third was head of R&D at a major supplement company but is now retired. My writings here are my interpretations of practical applications of the facts I have learned from these experts.

Not being a doctor of any kind, I cannot give anyone any advice but I can discuss the properties of natural garlic and how those properties change depending on how the garlic is processed and used. And, yes, it makes a huge difference what variety and cultivar of garlic one uses because they are all different and some are hotter and stronger than others and are more effective when used properly.

If you will read my garlic and garlic water posts you will come away with a greater understanding of garlic than you can get anywhere else.

Good luck to you.

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